The 4 pillars of High Performance

[00:00:00] Speaker A: Opinions expressed in this episode are personal. They do not necessarily reflect the views of this streaming platform. [00:00:08] Speaker B: Good day, everyone, and welcome to another edition of let's Be Diverse. I am your host, Andrew Stout. This episode is dedicated to all my loved ones who supported me through this journey. Those who have left us will always be on our hearts and will never be forgotten. Today we're going to be talking about something that I think a lot of organizations, leadership, management deal with and that's performance. Our topic today is four pill, the four pillars of high performance. And my guest today is Tanya Wynn Jones. Welcome to the show, Tanya. It's so nice to have you on today. [00:00:43] Speaker C: Hi. Thank you for having me. [00:00:45] Speaker B: You're very welcome. How are things with you? What's new in your world? What's going on? You give us the tea, the deets, give us it all. [00:00:54] Speaker C: Life is going good as it should be, right? I'm really fortunate. I'm so lucky to have found a career where I not only love what I'm doing, but it just, I don't want to say effortless because it's definitely not effortless. Nothing within ham performance is effortless. But when you're on the right path and you know it, it, it's, it's like things align much easier. So I'm really loving life. [00:01:22] Speaker B: Yeah, that's good. There's at the. You're absolutely right. When we, when we love life and we love what's going on, then yes, it makes life a lot easier. That is for sure. I'm glad, glad to hear that things are going so well before. So I really interested in this topic. It's something that it comes to mind and it's something that we're. I'm discussing a lot with people so I'm really interested in getting into it. But before we do, I always have a fun, thought provoking question to get myself get things going. Are you ready for yours today? [00:01:55] Speaker C: Yes. Go for it. [00:01:57] Speaker B: So I asked this a couple of times, but I thought I would ask this to you again. What is your favorite color and what does it symbolize about you? [00:02:08] Speaker C: Oh, now that's actually a difficult question because. Well, actually, you know what? I can answer it. And the reason I can answer it is because I've been almost forced to through my journey with exploring meditation because often you relate to colors. As a kid it was clear it was blue because, you know, it was more. I was all action and more on the masculine than the little girly. So I went through the blue. But it's more evolved into Like a gold speck, white clarity kind of color that's allowed. [00:02:49] Speaker B: Yeah. The color that you, like, has evolved over the years. [00:02:54] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:02:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Which is kind of normal, I would say, with a lot of stuff that we evolve, we change, We. We have different interests, we have different priorities, we have different. So, yes, I. That would totally make sense to me, for sure. Well, thanks for having fun with me, especially not knowing what that question was going to be. I know we talked a little bit before this all started, and you had no idea what the question was going to be. So without knowing it, you did pretty good. So thank you so much. [00:03:25] Speaker C: Thank you. [00:03:26] Speaker B: You're welcome. So why don't we start off with you telling us a little about you and your story? [00:03:32] Speaker C: Yeah, so sure. I primarily help high performers overcome their challenges and cultivate the things that truly serves them so that they can reach their full potential and their goals, which then makes them a good influence and a good source for inspiration for others. I really think that it compounds the effect of it onto others. And when I reflect on my life now, I can tell you that as long as I can remember from being a little girl, I've always been really, really driven by two things, and it's, number one, the drive to help other people, like, really help them live a good life. And then the other thing is high performance. Now, as a little girl, I honestly thought that the only way you could make a career that would help other people would be as a doctor. And that just was not for me, just for many reasons. Wasn't good in school either, so wouldn't have gone very well. So that kind of made me choose the path of high performance instead. So it's. But I didn't even know what coaching was until 2018, because that's when I really had the biggest challenge in my life and was forced to really build my life up from scratch. Because out of nowhere at the time, I was living what I like to call the good life. Ruth. Right. I had a nice house. I had a loving husband, two amazing daughters, two dogs, car job that paid the bill, but it wasn't fulfilling. But I was doing what I thought was expected. Right. I was trying to make things work. So, you know, like so many coaches, this is the case, right? You. You have something that happens that actually gets you into becoming a coach. And for me, it was. I really thought I could push my needs aside for the longest time. I mean, before that, I was a pilot, which was all about me. So I made a big switch and was putting myself in this mom role. Then, out of the blue, in the beginning of 2018, my youngest daughter, who was one and a half at the time, passed away. And when something like that happens, like something really big like that happens in your life, I really believe that you have three choices. One, you can give up, or you can try to distance yourself and hide away and pretend like everything's okay. Like, you can go back to normal, or you can choose to make it into something good. I still had a daughter living, and I did try first to just be a mom and think that I could be that martyr. It didn't matter. But I quickly realized that that was impossible. She needed more than a mom. She needed me to be a good mom. And in order to be a good mom, to be able to truly help anybody, you have to have a good life yourself. So that's what, you know, started my own personal development journey. And that was the first time that I actually even heard about coaching. But as soon as I did, it was like all the pieces fell into place, and I realized that this is exactly what I should be. [00:07:29] Speaker B: Amazing story. One things that are kind of popping to my. In my head is that, you know. You know, I think we have to. We always have to figure out when things like this happen, when we lose people in our lives, especially family members that, you know, we have to figure out how we're going to, you know, be or how it's. You know, what it. How is it gonna. You know, how's it gonna affect us? And we definitely change, for sure. I. I've talked about it a few times on different episodes. I've lost a few family members in the last, you know, six, seven years, and it's changed me. I'm definitely a different individual than I was six or seven years ago, that is for sure. But I. I feel like what I've learned is that nobody can tell you how you feel or how you should feel. That is probably one of the biggest things that I've learned in the last six or seven years that nobody can. Nobody can tell me how to feel or when to feel bad or when to be upset or what have you. No one can tell me that. And when you realize that you become, I'd say, stronger, I'd be. I feel like you become stronger and resilient and nothing else. Of course, there's going to be things that are going to come up that are going to, you know, bother you or what have you, but there. I think in reality, they're probably not as big as some other things. So, you know, if you can get through all the big things and you can get through anything, as far as I'm concerned. [00:09:22] Speaker C: Oh, I totally, totally agree. And, you know, and, and I just want to clarify as well, you know, like, when we talk about high performers, you know, it could be easy to think that, oh, it's athletes. And although I do work with a lot of athletes, it doesn't, it doesn't actually matter what you do. It's about how you do it, the choices you make, the dedication you have to it. And like you so beautifully said, it's when it comes to grief, learning to live with that, that takes resilience, that takes grit, that takes a determination. You know, you have to push through the hard stuff. And I really think that high performance is, like I said, more about the choices you make and what you do than, like, how you do it than what you do. So where we have this natural desire to, to pull away from anything that's unpleasant, you know, when you're a high performer, you go, no, I need to overcome this. And overcoming, like, overcoming, not overcoming grief, because depending on the grief, like, I don't want to overcome the grief of my daughter. Like, you need to learn to live with it. [00:10:31] Speaker B: Right? [00:10:32] Speaker C: And to learn to live with that, that's high performance. [00:10:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I agree with you 100. We don't want to. We don't want to get over anything. Whether it's grief, you talk about high performance, whether it's having struggles, we don't want to just get over it. We want to. We want to. We want to strengthen ourselves, and we want to. We want to be resilient, like you said. That's exactly the word that I would use. We want to be resilient, and we want to figure stuff out. And we want to be at a place where we say, you know what? Nothing. This is what I want to do, and nothing's going to stop me. This is the direction that I want to go in, and nothing is going to stand in my way. Yes, I'm, I appreciate all the support that I'm getting, but it's me that's got to decide what's going to happen, how I'm going to do it, how I'm going to get there, and, and, and all of that stuff. So I, I definitely agree with you 100% on that. So dig into this here. I know you talked about high performance. What are the four pillars of high performance teams and why are they so important? [00:11:38] Speaker C: Yeah, so. Well, let's, let's say what the pillars are first. Okay, so the four biggest pillars I think that we have when it comes to cultivating high performance, to become a true high performer is, number one, to create your optimal, authentic self. And I'll. I can get back into what that really means afterwards. And then secondly, we have to, we have to find empowering, both personal and collective clarity. We need to have supportive behaviors and systems. And then lastly is effective communication. Now, the reason I think that each of these are. And there's a lot that goes in under each pillar, of course, but the reason that they are so important together is because I believe that in order to be a high performer, it basically means that you're doing what other people are doing, but you're doing it at higher level, right? You're outperforming the majority. And the only way to do that is by covering the basis, like by holistically optimizing yourself and your contribution. So if we look at the pillars, then one by one, if we look at the first one briefly, when I say optimal identity, it's. It might sound like, oh, a bit fake, but yes and no. The thing is, it has to be authentic. But it's, it's easy to think that identity is something that you're born with, right? That you're like, oh, this is my identity, this is who I am. And this, you know, I just have to accept that that's not true. Right? There's certain traits maybe that are yours. That's fine. You can always choose how you want to express that, you know, and so if, whatever you decide to do, if you want to be a, a soccer player, then you need to look at what you want to do, where you want to go, and then you see, like, okay, what are the traits I actually need that supports me? What is the identity that I want to have, that I need to have that will get me there? So you can actually create the identity, not just think that that's something you have. So that's hugely important and something that's very often overlooked because I think very often a lot of people, just when they think about becoming, especially in sports, you think about becoming a football player. It's very skill focused. It's like, oh, I'm going to be the best one with the ball, I'm going to do all this. But they forget to think about that. You need to create yourself as well and with clarity. I honestly believe that the more clarity that you have, the easier it's going to be to get to where you want to go. It makes sense, right? You need to know the path and figure out the route and how you're going to get there in order to actually get there. But you also need to know where you want to go. So this is about like really finding your why, your purpose. And the greater the, the purpose is, the more altruistic the purpose is. I believe it actually will be stronger and be a more powerful driving force. But it's important that you have, it's important that you have both a personal clarity, you know, because we need, we need motivation is kind of a short term fuel, but you need that. But then you have like your big vision, you know, going to save the planet, right? That would be a big vision. That's a driver, but that's not going to help you tomorrow or today. So you need both. So you need to have that personal clarity on your role, your purpose, you know, what do you stand for, all these things. But then you also need to know in collectively how do you fit in, how does this help others? Because I truly believe that everyone excels when they know that what you do will have a positive impact on other people. I think that's hugely, hugely important. And again, if we look at soccer players, most of the time when I ask them, you know, what's your vision? It's. And when I say vision, I mean vision. Not just what's your next goal, what's your vision? What's going to be your legacy? Most of them, actually, I think all of them. The initial answer is, I just want to be the best football player I can be. I'm like, yeah, that's not big enough, right? That's not, you know, how does that help people? How is that really going to fuel you? So clarity is really, really important. And then in order to do anything well, we have to utilize this amazing brain that we have, which is so good at creating automation, to help us out, to make us more efficient. So the more things that you can make into a system and make automatic, the better. So behaviors. But you have to evaluate the ones that you have. And again, we have to be really, really critical on when we look at our behaviors, whether they support us or, or they work against us. Because so many of our habits and behaviors are developed already from where we're seven years old. So we need to make sure that they actually, really, really support us. And then comes the last one, communication. And it stands out a little bit because communication is all about working with others. But like, we know nobody can do anything alone, right? We have to, we have to work in conjunction with others and have support from others to be able to achieve anything. And communication is, I believe, the biggest challenge that any team has because there's so many misunderstandings. And it's funny because you'd think that communication is natural, like we're communicating all the time. But if we haven't really learned good, proper communication skills, effective, authentic communication, we're always coming from ourselves and we're not the same. My reality is not the same as yours. I don't have the same perspectives as you do. So if I'm only coming from my side, of course we're going to have misunderstandings. That's, that's. Yeah. It cannot be overstated how important communication is in, in any field when it comes to working with other people. [00:18:45] Speaker B: I'm smiling. The audience you can't see, but I'm smiling as you're talking. And when you're talking about communication, there's quite a few things that I mentioned or I talk about a lot, but communication is something that I mentioned quite often. And I think there's a lack of communication in all areas. You mentioned soccer teams and I it making me think of in organizations as well. There's a lack of communications in many areas. And I'm going to think that you're right. I mean, these four pillars are fantastic. Like everything goes hand in hand with everything there. I mean, I'm looking at clarity. If you're, you know, your, and your behaviors. If you're not, if you're not, you know, as a leader, if you were not behaving in a certain manner, then it is going to affect your communication, which means that you are going to lose engagement in, in your team. So, yeah, it just, there's just so many ways that we can look at that. And I just, you know, anybody that's listening today, I would just, you know, my wish is that you look at these four pillars and, and understand how important that they are and, and look at them when you are actually working with your, your team and helping them to understand where they're at and where they could get to and not being harsh or negative as far as your. Your way and that you're communicating it, but communicating in an authentic, engaging, clear way so that they understand exactly what, exactly that you're looking for. And it's not just communicating as well. The other thing too, that I like about your thing here, your four pillars, is that we communicate, but I don't think we communicate often. So we can communicate and then not feel like we have to communicate for, you know, a long period of time. And it is okay to communicate in short periods of time. A lot of people think it's a little bit nagging, but I think the communication can change depending on the situation. So. But as long as we are, we're clear and letting our, our, our people know what, exactly what we're needing or letting them know that we are there for them if they need anything from us, we're. I think we're, we're batting a thousand here. [00:21:35] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. And, but, and it is like, it could be like the biggest thing, especially in work, work situations, but I think that we should all start with the first one, which is identity. [00:21:50] Speaker B: Yep. [00:21:51] Speaker C: And because it's very much. We kind of often go by thinking that, you know, we are normal. Right. Like we're in our own head. So everything around us that evolves us, that's normal. But we don't see how other people see things. And we're so worried about so many different things. We're spending so much energy on stupid fears that are complete nonsense. They're just this, this illusion in our heads. So if you take some time to really figure out what your. Like I said, both figure out what identity you want to have. Right. That that's going to serve you. But then that is authentic and you find that authentic identity, that fear goes away because it doesn't matter what people think about you because you know what you stand for. And as long as you're authentic to that, you become resilient and unshakable. From that place, you can truly learn to hone effective communication where you now are steady and safe in who you are. And you can focus on, know, actively listening and just seeing the person in front of you and saying, okay, what is it you need? [00:23:11] Speaker B: So now we know what the four pillars are, I'm going to throw something at you. I'm going to make you think a little bit here. [00:23:17] Speaker C: Okay. [00:23:18] Speaker B: How do we, how do we address these defi. These deficiencies? Because we know what the four pillars are, we know what we need to do, but there are going to be deficiencies in there. So how do we address. [00:23:28] Speaker C: So when you say deficiencies, do you mean that like noticing that this is where I'm lacking, like this is where I'm not good enough? [00:23:37] Speaker B: Correct. [00:23:38] Speaker C: Okay. All right. So I would say that that's a matter of mindset again. And I. Oh, this is actually, I love this because it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine. It is so common to be scared of failing. Right. Terrified of failure is one. It's probably the biggest fear that most people fail, that most people, you know, struggle with. And when you say deficiencies, it's kind of along the same lines because it's like, oh, I'm lacking. I was like, no, no, you've just, You've just identified where you should focus your attention to grow. [00:24:17] Speaker B: Right? [00:24:18] Speaker C: So I don't necessarily look at it as a deficiency. I look at it as like, oh, this is where I should focus my attention. This is where. This is where if you're already really strong on something, and of course that's. That's the more motivating. [00:24:33] Speaker B: That's. [00:24:33] Speaker C: That's the tendency is that you want to just do what you're good at, that you want to do the easy stuff, well, then you're not a high performer. If you want to be a high performer, you're going to do the difficult stuff. And you have to get used to doing the uncomfortable. You have to get used to being uncomfortable. Right? So. So, yeah, I don't look at it as deficiencies. I look at it as. I can say weaknesses, because I don't necessarily. It depends on whether you think of it as a negative or not. I don't. I look at it quite objectively, and I just think about it as like, okay, that's where I'm weakest right now. So that's where I need to focus my attention. So when I work with someone, those. That's what I'm looking for. Right? Like, where do we need to focus? What do you need to grow? [00:25:18] Speaker B: I. I love that you said that and reason why, and I love your answer. The reason why I was asking it that way is exactly the way you put it that there are. It's. It is the mindset. I love that you said mindset, because it is on the mindset. And when I look at your four pillars, those are all mindset things to me that will help you to be, To. [00:25:42] Speaker C: To. [00:25:43] Speaker B: To. To be a high performer. So, you know, we sometimes get in. Our reason why I'm asking is because we get in our heads. Sometimes we are the hardest. Like, for myself, I'm gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm gonna be honest here. Sometimes I am the hardest person on myself. Sometimes there's things that go on that I am super hard on myself for. And it may not be a big thing to other people, but for me it is. [00:26:16] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:26:17] Speaker B: And I'm trying to figure that out. Like, how do I. How do I address these things? Because I, you know, I. I might feel like, oh, I. I mean, you know, I'm not being, you know, I'm. I'm not being clear. I don't have clarity what direction I'm going. You know, my behavior is not supportive to myself and to others. And, you know, and some, you know, and sometimes I'm like, oh, my God, I should have communicated that a little bit better next time we're gonna do that. But I. You're absolutely right. Each time that we have an opportunity to do something, we remember what we did and then we can say, okay, well, last time I did it this way. So, for example, if I'm guesting on a podcast and I. Someone asked me a question and I answer it, I'll think about it. And the next time that I'm on a podcast and if they answer that, I will maybe be a little bit more prepared for that answer, because maybe I didn't like the answer that I gave. Not that it was bad, but maybe I didn't like it, but I wanted to be a little bit more prepared. So I kind of think, okay, well, next time I get asked this, this is what I'm gonna say. That's kind of where I was kind of going on that. [00:27:36] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, absolutely. And it's. And it's. And I'm really glad that you brought it up because it is such a big thing, and especially with high performers. I actually just did a post on Instagram today about this. You know, the fear of failure, which. Which is the same topic, because when you look at high performers and especially, you know, top CEOs, top leaders and, you know, anybody who's top of their field, top athletes, right, they're terrified of failing very often. And it's. It's easy to think like, oh, yeah, but they've got so much to lose and blah, blah. But I think it has so much to do with the connection that we put to it that we think of failure and. And you. You know, where we lack and all this as something good or negative, and we look at the same thing with what we're doing. So it's like you're either succeeding or you're losing. You're either making it or you're failing. It's black and white. So what I tend to do with my clients is to. Now, I don't want them to completely take away emotion, because emotions have a really, really powerful effect, but we have to figure out how to use that. So depending on what it is in the situation. But outside of that, I want them to look at the experience objectively. So if somebody has a match or a contract that goes wrong or good, it's easy to focus on the positive. That's what a lot of people do, say that you win a game, you're going to celebrate. Yay. That was amazing. And then if they lose, they're down in the dumps and it's horrible. Now, how does that work for you? How does that help you? And then a lot of people go, okay, okay, well, let's look at the positive. Let's not get dragged down by losing. Let's look at the positive. Okay, but how's that going to help you? So of course, if you win, celebrate, enjoy that. But then look at it objectively, because that's the only way you're going to learn. And it's actually when we fail, when we meet challenge, when we see where we're lacking, when we see where we're deficient, that's when we really have the opportunity to learn. But the same thing with the win, if you're just going to celebrate your win, you're not going to learn from that. That's something you've already done. If you want to get better, you have to poke holes in that, too. So, so it's, it's, it's switching it around to see that, okay, if you look at it objectively, take away the good and the bad, you know, it's neither. It's just something that happened and find the learning opportunities in it. [00:30:14] Speaker B: What do you think the relationship is between diversity and high performance? [00:30:19] Speaker C: Oh, I love that question. I love that question. And I'll answer it with, with. With a note to your last episode that I, That I listened to about. I don't remember who was on, but you were talking about autoimmune disease. Yeah, yeah. Which is a horrible thing that so many people struggle with. When you have something like that and you still push on and you go to work and you. That's high performance. And the reason I say that and the reason that I bring that up is because I honestly think that diversity in any form can be one of the biggest drivers for high performance. It's normally in the same way. The challenges are what motivates us. Right. Going through, like I said, my. I lost my daughter, that's been the biggest motivator and driver in my life to make me, you know, I had to completely change my whole life. I had to drag myself up from. From the darkest places I've been and, you know, find a way to be happy again. And in the same way, I also believe that One of the reasons why I've always been a high performer my entire life has been because, as I've learned later on, I have adhd, which I didn't know as a kid, but it made things harder for me than for other kids. But at the same time, I knew I was smart. So I had this really, really strong need to prove that I was smart. That even though the teachers would say that I was just lazy or wasn't paying attention, I really was trying, so I really had to. And because they told me that, okay, I'm not book smart and I can't succeed in school, then I was like, well, okay, how can I show them? How can I push on? And I've just been one to then decide, like, well, I'm going to show them, I'm going to show them. I'm going to keep on. So, yeah, to sum it up, I honestly think that it's, again, it's a choice. You can let it defeat you, you can let it be a problem, or you can use it as fuel. And I really, really think it's so inspiring to see. Like, for example, I think Paralympics are so much more inspiring than normal Olympics because you don't know what the other Olympians, of course, they have to have so much grit and go through so much, but with Paralympics, you know, that they really, really have to overcome things. So it's. Yeah, yeah, it's inspiring. [00:33:15] Speaker B: It certainly is. So your story. I love what you're talking about. I think about myself when you're taught, when you were talking way back when, when I was in school, and I too, didn't know that I had ADHD back then. And I remember fondly knowing about tests coming up. Or the teacher would say, hey, you know, there's going to be an exam coming up in three weeks. And I would start, I would have to start. I mean, I wasn't studying for hours and hours, but I had to start looking at stuff and I had to start studying. And I can finally remember friends kind of asking, you know, on weekends, oh, hey, we're going to the movie or we're doing this, you want to come? And I'd be like, no, I, I, you know, I can't. I gotta study for the exam. And they'd be like, well, why do you have to study for the exam? It's in three weeks. I'm like, well, I have to study. And they said, well, whatever, I'm, you know, I'm just gonna study like two, three days before. And I'm, you know, what I'll do fine. And they always did better than me in the exams, no matter what. They always did better with better, better than me. And it bothered me when I was younger, but now it doesn't bother me because that is what it is. It is. There's nothing that I can change about that. There's nothing that I can do. I can just concentrate on. On me. So I. I said it earlier, you know, nothing. You know, nobody can tell somebody else or tell them how they should feel. So, you know, I can't tell someone else that they should feel bad for me because I have to study or they shouldn't feel bad for me because, you know, because I am. You know, because I have to work harder than them. And the same thing for me. I shouldn't, you know, be mad or feel upset because they can study or they can do something three days before. So it's. It's something that. Obviously it's not something that you. Or that I, myself, I am perfect at at this point, but it's something that I. I try to use to fuel myself and, and help myself get through, through things. Specifically during times that can be a little bit more challenging. [00:35:50] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. And it's. I mean, and the thing is, everyone has, you know, challenges. Everyone has good traits and traits that work against them. Right. Everyone's got things they're good at and things they're not so good at. But I do think it can be a tremendous, tremendous source of power if you choose to use it as that, any kind of way. Like, you know, with diversity. Because a lot of people go through life, like I said, running away from what they don't, what they're not good at, just like, ignoring it. If you have a challenge that's staring you right in the face, you have to work with it. So it kind of. It forces you to look in different directions that most people do. And if you look at one of the necessities for being a high performer means that you have to be ahead of the curve. You have to be an early adopter. You can't just follow the norm. You can't be in that comfortable zone with everyone else. You have to be an early adopter, which means you have to do things in a different way than most people. So I think it kind of primes you for that. It can do, right? [00:36:58] Speaker B: And I think it's that assumption, right? [00:37:01] Speaker C: Oh, yes, of course. And that's what I'm saying. It's like it can be a source of power. You know, it is what it is. It's always the choice, and it's a choice that each person has to make. I choose to think of things as a. I choose to think that we can always make something good out of things. Yeah, I do too. [00:37:22] Speaker B: I do too. So in closing, what is the one takeaway that you want our audience to get from this episode? [00:37:36] Speaker C: I truly believe that every challenge can be transformed into a source of strength, but we have to choose to do so. And it's always going to be up to each person to make that choice. But if you want to, everyone can be a high performer. [00:38:00] Speaker B: I, I love those words. Those are, those are super awesome and inspiring words. Tony, I wanted to take the time to thank you for coming on today. This was been. This exceeded my expectations as far as conversations. You are a phenomenal individual and a phenomenal speaker. You just speak so clearly and, and, and with passion and power and your story is super inspiring and, and to see you where you are today and, and doing the really good things that you are today is super inspiring. And I can't speak for everybody, but for myself. People like you are who keep me going and you keep me pushing to thrive and, and, and to, to work hard. So I really appreciate you and I really appreciate your time. We really appreciate your time today. [00:38:54] Speaker C: Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much. I, I really, really, really appreciate those words. That was so beautiful. And to me, the thing that gives me the absolute most pleasure is when I help anyone, when I help someone, when I can see that, just help somebody a little bit, that's what gives me the biggest joy in life. So hearing that is, is. It truly means a lot. Thank you so much and thank you for having me. It's been a pleasure. [00:39:23] Speaker B: You're very welcome. On behalf of myself and my guest today, Tanya, I'd like to thank you all for tuning in today. And until next time, be safe. And remember, everybody, that if we all work together, we can accomplish anything. [00:39:38] Speaker A: You have been listening to let's be Diverse with Andrew Stout to stay up to date with future content. Hit subscribe. Subscribe.