Episode Transcript
[00:00:04] Speaker A: Opinions expressed in this episode are personal. They do not necessarily reflect the views of this streaming platform.
[00:00:13] Speaker B: Good day everyone, and welcome to another edition of let's be diverse. I am your host, Andrew Stout. This episode is dedicated to all my loved ones who have supported me through this journey. One of the topics that I've thought about a lot lately in discussions is branding and personal content. As a leader, I think it's very important to have both. Some companies, it may not work depending on what have you, but majority of companies I do think need both of them. So today I want to talk about brand and personal content and I'm so happy to have as my guest today, Megan Thudium. Now, Megan is an American B to B content strategist working in Berlin. She's the founder of MTC, the content agency, as branding, content and thought leadership marketing specialist. She works primarily with innovative climate brands in Germany and Europe. Her content approach infuses cutting edge LinkedIn content and brand management strategy, content marketing, SEO and thought leadership, best practices to drive awareness, credibility and impact through a human focused lens. When I first met this person, I had a wonderful conversation with her and Zoom. I think she is one of the most creative people that I have had the opportunity to meet. She speaks with both power and impact and I'm so happy to have her on the show today. Welcome to the show, Megan. Thank you for taking the time to be with us today.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: Hey, I'm happy to be here, Andrew. And thank you so much for the fantastic intro. You really just brought me up to.
[00:01:57] Speaker B: The next level, Megan, to be quite honest, I think you're already at that level and it's an honor to have you on today. How are things with you? What's new in your world? What's new in Germany? What's new in Megan's world?
[00:02:12] Speaker A: In my world, it's the first week of November here in Berlin, Germany. So all the leaves are now settling on the ground in beautiful shades of yellow and oranges and browns. And it's the season of reflection and slowing down for me as I am american, originally from the United States, it's also Thanksgiving month. So in line with that holiday, it's also November is my time to okay, we've had a busy year now where is that you're taking us to the end and what are the good things that have happened and how are we looking into the new year?
[00:02:48] Speaker B: I love all that. I love that you said reflection. I've been doing a lot of reflecting as well myself, getting ready for the new year as well. I was just telling somebody the other day that I was getting ready for the new year, and I couldn't believe I was saying it because I just don't know where the year went. I feel like I just celebrated New Year's Eve. I feel like it's been like five minutes. I had a glass of champagne in my hand and I was cheersing the new year, and here I am preparing for 2024. I just don't know where it went. So I am doing a lot of reflection as well, preparing and getting stuff ready for the new year. So I love that. Just love it. So, before we begin, I always have a fun, thought provoking question for my guests to get things going. Are you ready for yours?
[00:03:42] Speaker A: Bring it on. I'm excited.
[00:03:44] Speaker B: You're excited. Okay, here we go. So, Megan, your question is, if the number two pencil is the most popular pencil, why do people still call it a number two instead of a number one?
[00:03:58] Speaker A: Oh, gosh. You know how long it's been since I've used a pencil? You're taking me back to my elementary days when I used to have a number two pencil. I don't even think they call it that in Germany. Number two, my business and marketing hat just went on. And I was thinking maybe number two was more of a clever way of phrasing it, making it more snappy and interesting than number one. Or maybe they didn't want to claim the number one because then it would have to be the best. Maybe they didn't believe in their product. I don't know. It brings up more questions. Your question brought up more questions.
[00:04:34] Speaker B: Megan, I love your answer here. So here's the thing. When I do these questions, I try to put a question towards the guest. So either a comical or thought provoking, and when I came up this answer, you didn't give the answer that I thought, but you went in a direction that you would, and I had a feeling that you were going to take your marketing hat and you were going to give me a marketing answer. So you went pretty much the way that I thought you were going to go. So kudos to you on that. Thanks for having fun with me. I think I have more fun with those than my guests do, so I love it.
[00:05:09] Speaker A: A plus for Megan.
[00:05:11] Speaker B: A plus for Megan. Great start for Megan. Absolutely.
Why don't we start off, Megan, with you telling us a little bit about you and your story?
[00:05:18] Speaker A: Yeah. So I think my journey that I want to share today really starts at 21. So that was a few years ago. I won't say my age. But at 21, I had just entered the job market. I had just finished my degree in marketing business in nonprofit, and I had a lot of passion and focus on what I wanted to do. And that was also at the end of kind of an economic crisis we were having in the states. So job market wasn't so good. But I went into my first job and I loved it. But I was living in California at the time, in California, and the current state that I was in was not providing me with what I wanted or what I was hoping to have in my life and what that was. Being able to rent a flat, sorry, I'm using the european term an apartment. Being able to rent in an apartment and being able to own a car, being able to pay off my university and all these things that I think a lot of young people look for, especially in their twenty s, I wasn't able to achieve because of the high cost of California and the type of environment that I was currently in. So at the same time, I was also very open minded. I wanted to travel. I wanted to discover the world. I also wanted to get my master's degree in management and leadership. And I was like, okay, how can I combine all those things to give me and build the type of life and style that I am looking for? So at 25, I moved abroad to Germany, and I found myself in Berlin because that's where I studied my master's program. And since then, I have not left. I love Germany. I love the european mindset of the progressivenessm, of the lifestyle here. I'm very engaged in the things that we talk about on how to build this type of lifestyle was looking for. Then I married a german. So that's the icing on the cake is I'm officially in Germany and I'm living here now. So that's my journey and how it's transformed from the things that I wanted as a young person I was looking for. And I went out and I looked for them, and I built a life in another country and another culture and another language for the things that I wanted. And since then, I've been building a business now alongside of it and trying to figure out where does my career, my management abilities, my leadership fit in an international, global context. As someone coming from California, now living in Germany, not necessarily speaking the language, but trying to market on an international level and native English.
[00:08:02] Speaker B: Megan, I love your story, a lot of stuff. First thing that packed in my brain about your story was I commend you because there's a lot of people who would have looked at your situation and they probably would have thought, oh, this is where I'm living. I went to school. I studied. This is what I'm supposed to have. This is all I can have. This is all I can achieve, and I'm just going to stick with it. I'm going to get the family, the husband, the picket fence, the house, the kids, and that's the life that I'm supposed to house. I'm going to have it. You, in fact, decided, you know what? This is not the life that I want. I want more. And you decided, this is what I'm going to do and I'm going to move. I'm sure it wasn't easy for you to pick up and leave and move to another country, somewhere where you had no idea what it was going to be like because you were familiar with the United States of America, but you weren't familiar with Germany. You visited, but your familiarity was not the same. So for you to pick up and decide, this is what I'm going to do, and I'm not looking back. So I commend you for that.
[00:09:12] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:09:13] Speaker B: The other thing I want to say is that you talk about leadership, and I was talking to you just before we started taping, and I was saying to you that a discussion that I've been having a lot, a lot of people feel that leadership is a one step thing. So you're a leader because you are in a specific role. And I truly believe as a leader, leadership comes in many different forms, and you can be a leader in any different profession. And I do believe that you can be a leader no matter what you're doing. I think we learn to be a leader from a young age. I remember being a kid. You mentioned aging yourself. I'm going to age myself here. And I remember playing follow the leader when I was a kid and playing in daycare and talking with friends. Let's do this. Let's do that. So we learned to be a leader at a young age, but we just forget about it between that and school and then becoming in our profession. So I think we need to remember that we all are leaders in some capacity.
[00:10:23] Speaker A: When you were saying that, I just had a couple of thoughts is, I think leadership for me is situational, if that makes sense. And I have noticed, as I've developed in my career, I've always been, even from childhood, you were sharing your childhood story, and I was thinking about what was I doing when I was seven and six, as I was playing the teacher and guiding, I'll say guiding my friends on how to learn certain things or giving them assignments and stuff. So I've always been that go getter, that pioneer of that not necessarily nurturer, but person who's very structured in giving the guidance and the direction to others.
[00:11:05] Speaker B: Right.
[00:11:05] Speaker A: So that definitely came through in my childhood. I remember that. But I think leadership is situational because as I've grown up through my life and also my career, the situation has changed. Now that I live abroad, I have to think in different contexts, in different situations. Culturally, I have to be a bit more open minded. Language, I have to be open minded. I have to be empathetic. Empathy, I think, is one of the biggest qualities a leader can definitely gain, especially in today's very globalized and connected world.
[00:11:38] Speaker B: I agree with you also think to adaptability. So I agree with you. It's situational. But I do think that you need to adapt to your situations. I was impressed with you in our first conversation and I'm impressed with your story because you realized where you were. And if I'm doing this or if I'm going here, I need to adapt. I can't think or do the same things that I am doing in California that I'm doing in Germany. You needed to adapt. We talked before we started taping that people are different in Germany than they are in California. So you needed to adapt to that as well. And that for me is a huge leadership skill, is realizing that you have to adapt and then figuring out how to do it, because we can all realize, okay, oh, I need to do this. Adapting and doing it is two separate things. And you did it.
[00:12:37] Speaker A: I'm still working on it. But there has been definitely a learning process and I am happy where how much I have learned so far in my journey.
[00:12:45] Speaker B: Absolutely. I definitely could see it for sure. I'd like to know what is brand and personal content in your opinion.
[00:12:53] Speaker A: So if we think about it, we could take this multiple dimensions in multiple ways. But I want to think about the leader, the manager, the individual. When I think of personal branding, what makes you unique and interesting and exciting as an individual, as a person, as a leader. And for example, when I work with climate leaders or thought leaders in B two B companies, I am really working with them to find what is their story, what makes them unique, what kind of value do they bring to their industry but also their collective community.
And how can you talk about that? Through branding, content, writing pictures, video on all these different channels like LinkedIn to tell that story and to make a larger impact on your mission, your purpose that you're trying to drive. So that's in a nutshell.
[00:13:49] Speaker B: I love all that you packed in there. So the thing that makes me think of what you just said is for me, a leader has to have a little bit of vulnerability as well. And I definitely think that telling your story like you did today and what makes you unique is telling people about you, which makes you come out a little bit more vulnerable. So you're not hiding who you are. I feel like you're being more genuine in nature. And when that comes out, I do feel that people gravitate to that.
[00:14:26] Speaker A: Yes. And that's also the trend that I'm seeing in my industry, but also with entrepreneurs and leaders, business leaders is you have to show this level of vulnerability and personality, your personal story, to connect with people on a human level way. And this is the way that business is changing in marketing and sales and leadership is people are looking for authenticity and they're looking for that level of vulnerability. Now, as a leader, this is my brand hat going on. You have to decide what is your level of how much you share and what you don't share. But I think the key takeaway here is you have to share something. That's the world that we're entering is there's no longer, you can no longer stand behind your corporate brand and that logo and say that company is me and you are an individual and you as the individual is more interesting than a company. They go together, but they're also two separate entities and people want to know about you.
[00:15:31] Speaker B: Do you think that you could say too much because you mentioned what you're going to say. What level do you think that leaders or business owners can say too much?
[00:15:41] Speaker A: This is a controversial topic. Just type onto LinkedIn about leadership and everybody will be debating this topic. I think as a marketing, as a brand communicator, I think you do have to have a certain context of your brand, like your company brand, for example. If you have, you don't want to be so polarized on a topic politically that is totally against the best interest of your team, of your leadership and your company. So that needs to be aligned. But does that mean, for example, as a leader, you don't share about how you are spending the weekend with your family, going boating on the lake and how that's such an important part of who you are, that family time? I think that's great, especially if it's who you are. I hope that's also aligning with the values within your company. If your company is saying, we're a family oriented company, we care about our employees.
The CEO is going to show that too, through that personal content. So that's where I think there's that blurring in between the leaders and how they communicate and the type of values that you're also talking as a company and how they can form together.
[00:16:50] Speaker B: I love that. So what makes great branding and great content?
[00:16:55] Speaker A: Oh, that's a loaded question. The first word that I thought of when you said that is, I think originality and then creativity and then you have to have accurate information. I think those are the three things, especially in my industry, and climate. And B to B, you have to have original thought. That's where thought leadership is coming in. But that information has to be accurate. You can't just be talking about untactual information. You can have opinions, but you have to be honest that they're your opinions and that they're not fact. And I think this is a really important thing when it comes to branding and content and also positioning yourself as a knowledgeable expert in your industry and making sure you're walking that more ethical line. Because especially my industry, we talk about a lot of important topics. We don't want to mislead people and we don't want to misguide people in the wrong direction based on what we're saying as, because if you think about it, for example, an SEO at a leader, they are influencing their team, they're influencing their colleagues around them. If they're the CEO of a large corporation, they have thousands and thousands of people under them. And then all the connections in their business, they are an influencer. So they also have to step up in a certain way and say, okay, yeah, I'm going to be a little bit vulnerable. But also what I say has impact.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: I love the accuracy in information. I always say as a leader or business owner, I think that if someone was to ask you a question, for example, if you don't know the answer, I think the worst thing that you could do is give an answer that, like you say, is not accurate or off the rail. I think a good leader is one that we mentioned. You talked about this earlier. You're continuously learning. And I'm the same way. I'm a lifelong learner. I'm always reading, always having good conversations with people and I'm always taking notes from people and I think that's important. And when you say that, that means that you're always willing to learn. That means that you don't know everything. And if you come across that you know everything. When you actually don't know the correct answer, I feel like that could be a detriment to you for sure.
[00:19:11] Speaker A: I think, as a leader, also taking ownership of when you don't know the answer and phrasing that in such a way as, I don't know the answer, but let me figure it out. Let's figure it out together or something. This is something I've learned from the Germans, actually, because coming from the America, I feel like the Americanism is we always have to have it figured out and we always have to have the right answer. And the Germans, you ask them a question and they'll be like, no, I don't know the answer, or, I don't know that answer, and it'll just stop the conversation and they won't go any further. And it's okay. So I guess you're not the person to talk to about, at least I know exactly.
[00:19:50] Speaker B: You find out pretty fast for sure. And if they do, extend it to say, I don't know the answer. However, like you said, let's find it out, or let me check it out and I will get back to you with the proper answer. But you're right. If someone just cuts it off right away, you're like, okay, maybe I'll ask somebody else. They don't know the answer and maybe they're not interested in.
[00:20:14] Speaker A: This is the such interesting thing that I find between Germans and North Americans, because I know you're not necessarily from the United States, is the German will tell you exactly that they know or don't know, and they think that they're doing you a benefit. This is the thing, is, they're doing you a benefit by being so honest and direct with you that they're not wasting your time. And that's the difference. Like, the American would be like, oh, you don't want to talk to me about this.
It's a different value of how we approach the situation. So that's just a learning iPad. It's super intriguing.
[00:20:54] Speaker B: It is very intriguing. Very intriguing to me, for sure. So do you think that branding or personal content suits all professions?
[00:21:03] Speaker A: I don't want to tell somebody that they don't have a stage to share what matters to them. So I don't want to say, for example, you're the data scientist, and a data scientist will be like, what do I have to share on my stage of thought, leadership and content? And I would say, yeah, you're in numbers or you're a data, but you do have something to share because you are unique. You're a person and you have your own opinions, and that has something of value to contribute to the world. And I do believe that you are there and that if you feel comfortable sharing, to share. So I don't want to say that anybody does not have a place to share their expertise, their thoughts, their opinions through content and through thought leadership.
[00:21:46] Speaker B: This question, when I put it together, it makes me think of people that I've had on or people that I've had discussions with where they've said that to me. They're like, oh, I don't know if I have enough knowledge to have any conversations with you that's taped. And I always say to them, you know what? I wouldn't approach you if I didn't think that you do.
I feel like you bring a lot to the table. If you'd like to continue having a conversation about it and what we could talk about, I'm open to it because I agree with you 100%. I do think everybody has value. I think that some people just don't have the confidence in themselves to realize that they do bring a lot of value.
[00:22:33] Speaker A: I think confidence is a huge one. I see this a lot even with leaders and managers, impact leaders that I work with. They just either want it to be extremely correct when they go out there. They don't want to be messy about it. There's always going to be a messy process. I believe just starting the process is the number one thing. So I also see this coming from the group of people that I work with.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: Yes, I do believe that confidence is huge as well. And I do believe that people have to understand, like you said earlier, it's your opinion and doesn't mean that your opinion is wrong. It just means that your opinion is your opinion. It's a different thought, it's a different idea. It might be different from someone else's, but doesn't mean that it's a wrong idea. So I know we delved into it a little bit as we've gone on, but I want to go into this a little bit further. What are some of the challenges for business owners when it comes to branding and personal content, or some of the challenges have you seen, I think you.
[00:23:33] Speaker A: Just named kind of the most obvious, and the biggest one is really just getting started and knowing what to say, organization getting started, chiseling out, the time to actually give your voice and your brain the opportunity to think of topics and things to say and actually put into action. Here's a plug. That's why you work with amazing people like me who are the strategists to help you bring all those thoughts and those insights together that put into execution. There are brilliant people out there to help you. So getting started is always the first thing. Being guided in a way to where taking all those thoughts because you have all the spots and these knowledge in your head, but having someone help you, or even if you have the time yourself guiding you into certain areas to where it's strategic about how you're talking. Because leaders, you do have this external message that you're trying to go out in the world. You're just not going to talk about 20 different messages. You want to be strategic about it. So defining, okay, what are those one, two or three messages that are important to me as an individual, but also to my company brand and to the mission that I'm trying to find? How does that all connect together? And how can I use branding content and thought leadership to get that message out there stronger?
[00:24:51] Speaker B: I love when you said get started. I think that's huge and I think that's probably something that a lot of people are afraid to do. So I talked about leadership earlier and saying that we don't know everything or we're not good at everything. And I think a good leader needs to realize that. And when you don't know what to say, then the first thing for me would be to get help in that. Because there's a lot of times where I think a leader wants to get themselves out there or they want to put themselves out there, they want to put their business out there. They want to be known in a certain scope, but they just don't know without saying authentic, empowering, compassionate. Those are like the buzwords right now, but without actually writing something and saying that, I think a lot of leaders don't know how to put themselves out there. So that when somebody looks at a website or reads a post or reads an about section on an individual and their company, they want to say those things that I am empowering, I'm compassionate, I'm authentic. And sometimes without saying those words, you still want to have that conveyed in the writing. And a lot of leaders don't know how to do that. I myself am one of them sometimes. But I know that I can turn to others to help me, but I would never do something that would be like, oh my God, why did I put that out there? I definitely would get some advice from people beforehand because it's not my place of expertise.
[00:26:31] Speaker A: You were just talking right there. I was thinking of a quote and I'm looking at the quote now, and I was thinking, perfectionism is the death is a slow death. There's so many things you could fill in that blank. Perfection is the death of progress. Perfection is the death of getting stuff done. I think perfection is something that really triggers leaders in general. Things do not have to be perfect. I think that's also, I see that reflected in my own career and how I run a business is how I run a business has never been perfect. From the beginning, I've done a lot of things, I've made lots of mistakes, and I've always picked myself up and figured it out and kept going and learned from it. Then I make new mistakes. That's just what it means to be an entrepreneur, to be a business leader. So perfectionism is the death of you. So I do not recommend being a perfectionist.
[00:27:25] Speaker B: Yes, I totally agree with you, and I love the fact that you talk about perfectionism, because I was one of those people who always worried them, like, oh, my God, I made a mistake or whatever. But I've grown to realize as I've gotten older that nobody's perfect. And I've also realized that there is not a mistake that can't be fixed. So I don't get myself all riled up with something because I know that it can be fixed. So if I don't know how to fix it, I will get somebody to fix it. I'm a computer.
I know how to do some stuff in a computer, but sometimes stuff frustrates me and if I don't know how to do it, I'll ask for help. I'll say, hey, I'm trying to do this. Can you help me? Instead of spending hours and hours trying to fix it? I know somebody that I worked with years ago. And she said, because I think a lot of people are afraid to ask for help because they feel if they ask for help, then they're going to be frowned upon or going to be.
[00:28:26] Speaker A: Like, I'm one of those people.
[00:28:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
Oh, my God, I'm asking this person again. And I worked with somebody who said to me, and it made so much sense, she said to me, if you did something, I'd rather you contact me right away, and it'll take five minutes to fix. But if you contact me and you're trying to spend an hour figuring it out and you still haven't figured it out, she says, you might have made even bigger of a mess and it'll take longer to fix. So she's just contact me and she even said to me, I don't care if it's five times in a day, contact me, because I can fix it. I know what to do. I can fix it. But don't wait. That's the worst thing.
[00:29:16] Speaker A: That's the worst thing. I also had a manager who said something very similar to me at the beginning of my career. It's better to go to. That's also the environment I try to create. My team is I give them a lot of freedom to try new things, to learn and grow, take the tasks and run with it. And then they come to me. They know that I'm open to their questions. I create that openness, that transparency, that environment. I want them to feel that they can come to me and not be ridiculed for it, not be looked down upon of it. I want to be that leader where they have no problem and they feel comfortable coming to me to ask those questions.
[00:29:59] Speaker B: Absolutely. So where do you see branding and personal content going in the future on this topic?
[00:30:06] Speaker A: I actually think it will become less perfect. I see it a lot with the younger generation on how they create videos. For example, on TikTok, content creation is becoming more raw, more personal, and less polished. I'm from the generation of millennials where, for example, Instagram used to be all pretty pictures and everything had to be perfect. And perfectionism was a huge thing. It's changing with the younger. They're like they'll just pop up their phone and record a recipe or whatever on TikTok and publish it. They won't think twice about it. So I think that's the way that we're moving with content creation and branding is more authenticity, more personalization of content, and less just tipping a shit about it being perfect. It doesn't have to be perfect.
[00:30:55] Speaker B: Less sending it and getting it edited and stuff like that. More raw. I love that because you talked about, you remember, and I totally remember that, too, of Instagram when it first came out, and even Facebook people putting videos out and they're so perfectly edited and clear, and the sound is great and it's just perfect. And I do notice that now that it's a lot less of that. People are being more raw, people are being more themselves, and they're not worrying about as much. They just want to get out there and they just want to say stuff. So I totally agree with you, and I do see that as well. So if you could choose one word to describe yourself, Megan, what word would that be?
[00:31:40] Speaker A: I would describe myself as creative, but I've also been asked, I've done this question many times in these group settings, and then other people describe me and they're completely different.
So I think it's always interesting. It's like I describe myself as creative, but everybody else has a different interpretation of my word.
[00:32:00] Speaker B: I do love the creative. I do think you are absolutely creative in what you do and what you speak about, what you post. I do think that as well. If I was to come up with a word for you, I know you said other people have come up with words for you. If I was to come up with a word for you, the first word I would say, which I have mentioned it earlier, I would have two words I would say. First one I would say is adaptable because you took yourself in a situation, you saw what you wanted to do, what you wanted to achieve. You had a goal set for yourself, and you adapted to the situation, and you're continuously adapting to a situation. I see it more and more in our conversation today, how you've adapted to living in one country, to moving to another, how the people are asking questions, how they ask compared to what you're used to, and you've adapted to it. You've understood. You didn't get mad and go, oh, my God, how am I going to survive? And this, it's so different.
[00:32:58] Speaker A: And I say it was not easy, it was painful.
[00:33:03] Speaker B: Oh, for sure.
[00:33:05] Speaker A: But I got there and I'm still working on it. Because there's no perfectionism, especially when you live abroad in another country, another culture and language.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. The other word that I might shock you with is powerful. And I say you're powerful in the words that you speak, how clearly you speak, how powerful your content is, and how of a powerful, friendly, engaging personality that you have. So those would be the two words that I would use for you.
[00:33:40] Speaker A: Thank you, Andrew.
[00:33:43] Speaker B: I'm glad. Those are two words that I thought about, and those are two words that I came up with. I talk a lot about our first conversation on Zoom. It was one of those conversations that was very enlightening, very inspiring to me. And it was one of those conversations where we spoke. I can't remember how long we spoke, but it was way over an hour. And I felt that comfort level that I could have spoken to you another hour or two, but it was getting close to supper time, and I believe your husband had supper ready or whatever, so you had to go. But that's just that comfort level. And I noticed those two words right away, adaptable and powerful from the get go. And I'm so happy that I'm going to have this person on, and I can't wait till we schedule something. So it was great. It was awesome. Any final words for today or any final thoughts?
[00:34:38] Speaker A: Final thoughts. We talked a lot about perfectionism, branding, content, leadership. There are so many things to digest there. I think one of my mottos that I really adopted as I've gone through the last ten years of my career is the phrase just do it. The little bit of my Americanism. Get it done. But I really live by that phrase. It doesn't have to be perfect. It can be messy. Get it done. Yeah. You have a place in this world, especially when it comes to content and thought leadership. And as a leader, your voice definitely needs to be heard. So get it done and get on there and start speaking up. We want to hear you.
[00:35:14] Speaker B: Awesome. As I said, I wanted to take the time to thank you for coming on today. I know that you have a busy schedule, always have something on the go. I know that the time difference was a little bit tough for us to figure out, but I appreciate you not just being here, but willing to be here and wanting to be here with me and have this conversation, not only for us to have, but for others to listen to. I am very appreciative of you. I think you are a remarkable individual and you inspire me to do things that I maybe never thought of doing before. So I wanted to let you know that. Thank you so much.
[00:35:53] Speaker A: Thank you, Andrew.
[00:35:55] Speaker B: You're very welcome. So on behalf of myself and my guest today, Megan, I'd love to thank you all for joining us today. And until next time, remember that if we all work together, we can accomplish anything.
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